Muslim, secular and feminist .. contradiction Yet there are feminist Christian, Jewish and Muslim practitioners. What makes one believe that the process of liberation and empowerment of women should remain the preserve of militant secularists (not religious)? If the Muslim activists for a party of extreme-left as it denounce sexism, polygamy, forced marriages, campaigning for the right to abortion and supported for best fight, a macho interpretation of their religious texts that they know and proclaim corrupted by tradition, we would may be misguided to dismiss them from office. At least admit that Islam Wahhabi misogynist ultra-Orthodox suits everybody,) We ground layman, even if the struggle for their rights within a community of believers tends to warm our skin anticlerical and anti-dogmatic, religious practice does not become involved in public affairs. Rest veil, yes,. Remains the veil, yes, c'estennuyeux, it shows. Christine Boutin does not ostentatiously large wooden cross around his neck, yet soft as a feminist, a beneficiary of advances that have led militant women in power, she was a member of Parliament and a gouverment then it is affiliated with Opus Dei and fundamentally opposed to the achievements of feminism that his faith and his commitment disapprove (abortion, condoms, etc. ,..). It should not be the only or among politicians in office, or among those who would l 'be hiding under their burqas mental archaeo-Christians are of recommendations and measures to bring the woman to her role as mother and guardian of the home (which is not even the case of "veiled "in question) Not to mention consistent with Trotskyites themselves, not the subject, which is the difference .. and where is the problem, you disappoint me a little, anyway .. Zelda, Morgana, Abuse, Amyliana, year, make a play, Fugenjikko? installing anti-Islamophobic Election. Zelda, Morgana, Abuse, Amyliana, year, make a play, Fugenjikko? installing anti-Islamophobic deBesancenot electioneering, it's heavy, sure, but nobody, really nobody to tell me "that girl is the best head of a party anticapitalist usually disinclined to compromise and full of enthusiasm activist, rather than wallow in your community? "Others talk politics in the republican framework, their moral and religious values without which it is easily decrypted or easily decipherable, so it is forty centimeters of tissue that would make a difference? good. .
The color of her scarf, right?? Ok, I go out …: o)
What now for the Trotskyists "opium of the people"? We would like to know, although they have been an idea ..
in any case to the buzz in the media did not find better
No headscarf is not that a piece of cloth, it is a sign of religion very marked besancenot pretends to defend secularism, it is anti curate see his declarations, he chose to talk, I hope it will do him not happy …………. c is a zero
Religion is the purely private domain. An elected the Republic is supposed to have a neutral appearance. Women can not recognize itself in the person of another who is veiled, it is obvious. In my opinion, the veil is not really a sign of emancipation, and you can intellectualize the debate as much as you want. It is completely free to walk around with a veil, but certainly not in time as representative of the people in a secular republic. Moreover, very few young Magrébin veil. Who will recognize in the person of this woman, I wonder … Finally, the NPA, whose number of members has dropped by 1,000 in year 1, use this girl so instead touted, hoping surely win votes in neighborhoods, increasing slightly over the stigma of the latter. Besancenot has a beautiful ball …
For me, the scarf itself, first as a symbol of submission to the male gaze, totally inconsistent with a claim of feminist equality (or when imposing the veil men) and other is a stigma denoting membership of a religion. I would also be shocked by the nomination of a nun in a cornet or a rabbi to curl.
it is not shocking that a member of a list has a head covering Fusse there a scarf or a voile.Ce is shocking is that the NPA made a front and a dangerous religious overtones.
It is much easier and your reasoning is not logical that those who want to preserve their customs. We are a people with our traditions and our ways of living. We are happy with it and we do not like that they are changed or transformed by other customs that come from elsewhere that we reject and we especially want to impose by force while the majority of citizens do not approve.
See our little debate on this subject with Yin Yang Shu: http://fr.answers.yahoo.com/question/index; _ylt = Amtnozyds5FYhkGd0aGcf4k4Agx.; _ylv = 3? Qid = 20100203121720AAPaUfV There is still a contradiction on the port scarf (a symbol of submission of women) … Muslim feminists are, but how are the piece of cloth religious symbol of machismo? Anyway, we should ask him … Otherwise, Boutin feminist?? This is the best of the year! This woman is a violation of secularism and women's right to her alone … And finally, apart from a stroke as worthy of Sarkozy, what is the NPA? The government debate on the burqa after leaving its debate on national identity turn anti-Islamism primary, NPA us out of his hat showing a candidate's religion! Apart exploit Muslims, the NPA does nothing! Some of Dati said it was "the Arabic service" from the UMP, that the NPA has hers … It's pathetic! Besancenot uses the same method as. It's pathetic! Besancenot uses the same method he says quecelui fight … That would have been too complicated for him and his party to campaign solely on the ideas? If Marx was there, he would break the shit out Besancenot …
The NPA is desperate to raise some votes in Marseille and in the 93. The presence of very ugly scarred rapper whose name I forget was not enough. A veiled woman (enfoulardée) is a woman who prefers his religion, namely, submission to Allah and Islam is not really avant-garde in the struggle of women. You made a comparison with Ch Boutin but fortunately these 2 guys are not the only alternative. These are just the 2 extremes of the same problem.
What shocks me deeply is the small detail which states that the veil is thin "… It peaked there. Anything that can get angry in power is good, even jeopardize secularism. It's really small.
Olivier Besancenot forgot to ABC of Marxism …. Religion is the opium of the people ….. and that the headscarf is a symbol of submission to a religion in whatever she may have more patriarchal and reactionary …… thus the opposite of feminism, in doing so he has to deal a blow to icepick to Leon Trotsky.
Feminists in our countries do not veil, nothing that we see with this crude maneuver to win new supporters. Then we're in a secular country then the NPA goes against the values of our country. @. Fair (e) Play ► ♫ I think exactly like you. Otherwise you're right religion and feminism are not always opposed, for example, Sister Emmanuelle was declared feminist: The nun said she was not "a saint", is described as "vindictive", "angry" and "a bit feminist . The feminist just bothers me, it is feminist or you do not, but I read his book (confession of a nun) and I confirm it was a true feminist. Source: http:// www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2008/10/20/01016-20081020ARTFIG00346-sur-emmanuelle-est-morte-.php
In politics, image is everything. And they know it. It is indeed the problem.
Atheists who are the promotion of a religion which rejects the disbelievers, it falls from the clouds.
Arzal hi! Instinctively, I want to say "Fuck". God does not exist and the republic is secular. Then, on reflection, I've kept my position: "Fuck." As the lady replied to a reporter: "I am not here to talk about religion, but policy. The republic is secular, she knows. Just tell him that God does not exist.
"What makes one believe that the process of liberation and empowerment of women should remain the preserve of militant secularists (not religious)?" I do not think that at all. Secularism is to practice their religion freely in private. This woman is Muslim, but no worries there, it involves religion in politics is one of the things that I blame him. State and religion must remain separate, I would like. In the more use of existing controversies about religion, national identity, and all these things that most troubled of reason once again resurfaced, and again by electoral calculations. And I condemn the allusions displaced religion from which they come. When Sarkozy made his remark about the "moral superiority of the priest from the teacher" or made the sign of the cross before the cameras, it does not honor the secular republic that is supposed to serve. Second thing : perhaps the veil is a symbol. Second thing may be that the veil is not a symboled'opression for this woman, she has not personally been forced to wear it and it was chosen due to its own interpretation of religion. But … is the foremost female politician, the candidate who appears veiled. For many women in France and worldwide is used as a way of bid and indoctrination. Many women are likely large, sometimes their life to be able to wear what they want without being judged. Making policy is to send a message. Perhaps there are other women who paradoxically lead some social activities for women and veil, which will see evidence that the veil is a symbol not fixed, but "what makes" . The idea could defend themselves, but must take account of reality: the veil is a way of oppression against women. In some families, girls are conditioned at puberty or even earlier. It was fortunate to be in a country where, theoretically, we did not face that. What message does this candidate. What message does this candidateenvoie it to these people? He must play down the veil? Precisely not. it can be serious.
nothing shocking about it except their challenge to try to make our country their own. Our governments, by dint of procrastinating and as we go, they will more or less long term to achieve their ends Bise Anne
You cite the example of Christine Boutin. She never called feminist and do not militate in NPA. It is at least consistent with his speech … Everyone knows that appear with a veil (or a cross or a yarmulke) when claims have responsibilities policies is not innocent. "Stop" to veil the face ", the term seems well chosen …
Let's do it very well … the NPA was credited in the previous survey to 4.8% of voting intentions. Today, it is just over 3% … Another few days and it may well disappear!
You say "Muslim, secular and feminist .." I would say: "Muslim, secular, communist and feminist …" I do not understand how a communist list may participate in a religion in its policy, as for memory , according to Karl, the brain is the material that self-consciousness (and also a lot of imagination I would say). Especially as it was in communist countries found the least disparity between rights, employment of women and men. With these irresponsible, radical Islam now has one foot in politics in this country. I call it treason. An attempted solicitation which will eventually sink the party. Because it's like that, I scratched my list of nice people. Voila, it said.
This is purely a provocation and not smart politics.
What shocks me is that we can consider these connasses wearing a headscarf. But what shocks me even more is that prohibiting those connasses to wear a headscarf. But what worse, and what shocks me even more that what shocks me more is that we would use these connasses wearing a headscarf as an electoral argument.
… it must be nice down there … Hair enclosed in a scarf all day, hello fatty! argh !!!!!!!!!!!
personally, the media context. sounds a bit too pub.
The fact simply be manipulated by the NPA