Hi all, I want to know your views on this subject. And also if there are critical or that some information in my opinion it is murder: I believe that life begins at conception (that is to say as soon as the egg and sperm fuse I said since there was still that this kind of questions should respond "in this case masturbation is a genocide" … well not a gamete is not a human being, an embryo if) I am well aware there are many difficult cases and that abortion may seem the only solution, and I can not allow myself to judge people who are ct opinion, which have been or will make that choice, etc.. Similarly I can not impose my point of view (we live in a Republic, with the freedom of thought, conscience, religion ,…) so even if I regret the Veil law (which has not changed much the number of abortions, no offense to each other), it was passed by the laws of the Republic, and represents the majority opinion, so here I bow. Your Opinion?
yes it is murder! see Exodus 20 v13.
Yes, in Islam, abortion is murder except in cases where the mother's life is in danger. @ Hornet tracks: will ask the doctors and they will tell you that there is a case that can happen, and c ' is a probability of 2% and this case is when the egg is not fertilized in the womb exactly ……… we will be forced to abort the first days.
@ Berber: "Abortion is murder except in cases where the mother's life is in danger." In other words, in religion, it justifies the killing of a baby to save the life of the mother. I assume in religions, human life has a price: the mother is more expensive than the child, although both are not the goods but human beings. … Fucking religions Death religions. Edit: I do not care what the doctors say. I'm just saying that religions justify killing yourself and you give me proof. Religions have no right to do that "If it is the will of God that the mother dies and the child lives (or even the 2 live or die), as are the religions and those who invoke it to justify and legitimize the murder of the One of them then God himself does not? You can take my word, Berber, so I was thinking particularly deeply involved in the affairs of a religion, I reinstate the true morality in the spirit of the faithful. Religions have no right to do that! If it is the will of God that the mother dies and the child lives (or even the 2 live or die), as are the religions and those who s 'prevail in order to justify and legitimize the murder of one of them then God himself does not? You can take my word, Berber, so I was thinking particularly deeply involved in business a religion, I reinstate the true morality in the minds of fidèlesà my way: the Inquisition. Or people would willingly rights or they would face exactly what they would inflict on others. Neither more nor less..
By the time God gave the commandments to men and laws, it was expected that if two men were fighting and they beat a pregnant accidentally and that it gave birth sooner than expected as the man who struck during the battle was paid compensation. But if the child or the fetus out and the child was too young or did not survive or went already dead, then man should be put to death for his act of abortion. That said, I think my opinion does not matter, but God yes, since it considers the murderous act of abortion reserving the same to those doing the same accident (in a battle) we can easily conclude that the same is sentenced same way today as Jehovah God is a God that does not change. His commitment has remained the same. @ Cigale, actually the word is not correct, most appropriate would be infanticide. Whatever you do you think, this leaves me indifferent, that's what makes people like you different from real. Whatever you do you think, this leaves me indifferent, that's what makes people like you different vraisserviteurs of God … that they simply do what God wants and not what they want to do. This is the whole Christ contrast between God and men. If you follow the steps and watch the son of our Heavenly Father we will only learn what we can do for us rather than disobey her selfishness. If enough people are murderers to kill a fetus, whether in private or not, it does not change much for the perception of God or the facts, cete person is deadly. And frankly, if my wife, my daughter or my sister had a child of rape, to cite one case, then he must unburden himself on God to see what he will do for us and its shares are not minimal as the majority underestimates its power. In listening we get his blessing, not doing it our way.
It is a deliberate act to avoid giving birth to a being in unfavorable conditions for himself and / or their parents, so they are not. And it's not like people practicing abortion do for fun.
The murderer, murderer is someone who rapes a woman and one who pregnant to save them later and let mom and child need only against the moral and social need. And the murderer is who aborts by malignant selfishness or materialism. In other words, a woman who becomes pregnant after a rape or is dangerously ill, she is entitled to have an abortion, especially in our decadent society and immoral.
From the moment you remove a life, even embryonic, it kills a human being. In fact since its conception, the embryo is already programmed and all its physical, moral, talents, abilities are present in the embryo. If they killed the baby in 9 months, it looks like it is murder. 9 months is approximately 270 days. A 269 would be also a murder. The day also 268. The eve before 267 well, and so on. At what point can we say today is a murder, but yesterday it was not? … What difference is there between a given day and the day before? … No! .. So going back day after day we arrive on the day of the design without ever having been able to determine when the fetus could be declared not a human being. The logic of life requires that parents take care of children and later when they become old, it is the children who look after parents. Who will look after the old days of the hundreds of thousands of women who have been aborted? … Much. Beaucouple regret and old age will be for some of them very cruel. It is only justice. A 200,000 abortions a year in France, that makes 30 years, 6 million fewer people. Much more in reality, since the children killed there over 20 years, have begun childbearing. It can therefore be estimated at 8 million fewer people in the French population. 8 million contributors least for pension funds. When these explode as unable to pay for lack of contributors, many will wonder why. They reap what they have sown death for which they fought, hit the turn. There is the same result in China. As couples are entitled to only one child, and they prefer a boy, for decades many parents killing girls at birth. Now grown men are more women in certain areas: it lacks at least 40 million. When you go against the planned allocations of nature, we pay the price one day, and. When you go against the planned allocations of nature, we pay the price one day apart and gays, many men suffer lack in their sexuality.
Hi, Unfortunately the word murder is not appropriate to name the act of abortion p because I think that all women, young girls blindfold …. not to accept their decision, terminate a pregnancy … there are so many cases .. but I am not empowered to judge …. no, frankly, this is impossible. If this law had not been passed, women have unfortunately continued to abort illegally, with the tees moved up .. that are generated for them too! We are always cons, when is not concerned, like men who wear judgments, those who do not have a woman's body, and does not face such serious! is a serious act that can lead to serious consequences to the women who hide their evil be his life.
Psalms 139:13 Thou hast created my inmost being you knit me together in my mother's womb. "She did not want this child, a child conceived with a passion that had gone out one time madness when his senses were excited for a brief time. And he took in the vortex of pleasure hardly sated, a little being is created. She did not hear his heart beating, she did not yet feel the life is weaving a second after second in the secret of her womb, she could not see the little body clinging to it, confident, soothed by the breath of life that her mother offered her without her knowledge. It felt good … c That is all. Then this poison invaded suddenly one day, this place so soft and reassuring, and spread rapidly around him, making this bitter water nourishing it liked. He did not understand, but he struggled with long hours in horrible convulsions that his mother felt herself violently. She suddenly regretted his decision, in this eerie silence, alone in an empty room of an ordinary hospital. She suddenly regretted his decision, in this eerie silence, alone in an empty room of an ordinary hospital oùmême nurses had neglected, contemptuous and hostile. But it was too late, and mother witnessed the agony of being in this creation in its own flesh until dawn, belly pain, feeling the blows of despair, the convulsions of distress that her dying child persistently distressed. Then there was silence, and his body and his heart. She had not stopped to ask her forgiveness, weeping, to caress that belly lively devastating pain. In vain. Life had stopped as suddenly as it began. She had known that later. He was a boy. "……………………………………. ….. She had never forgotten. She would never forget. ………………… Abortion is not only a crime Nowadays it has become a real genocide in this century now. Millions of children are killed, and more often beyond the weeks allowed by the laws of our country. In some countries, girls are not welcome,. In some countries, girls are not welcome, and mothers, upon confirmation of gender, are forced to abort despite their 6 see 7th month of pregnancy. India, China (the policy of one child) have perpetuated their own murder by the thousands, I call it the "massacres" accepted. And I do not speak Russian, among others, using fetuses for cosmetics or pharmaceuticals! And we do not know everything. ……………… ……………………………. Psalms 139:15 My frame was not hidden from you, When j 'have been done in secret, Woven into the depths of the earth.
To me, this is not an embryo is killing a child to become in law the child is a human being separate from the mother immediately after birth, because before he left the body of the mother. it is true for France can abort up to 3 months, because after the embryo becomes a fetus and therefore there is a change. and why did you choose 3 months and not 4 or 5? this question one must ask the Board of 'Ethics, which is composed of scientists but also representatives of different religions! sometimes it is better to have an abortion, especially when we know that life provided to this child, this is only pain and sadness "and also talk about children who are not born, but long since we spoke of the overcrowding of land, it is how to feed them all? ben yes, it will be the richer to the detriment of poorer! it is clear that abortion should not be used as a means of contraception, but for this there other ways, and that abortion should remain a last resort
That the child feels warm and safe in the womb of his mother as a victim of this deadly assault? We can only imagine, because they'll never here to tell us about it. Most abortions occur within the first 12 weeks of life. At this stage, the tiny fetal breathing and swallowing. His heart beats. He moved his toes, clenched fists, turns liquid into his world … and feels pain. Many fetuses are torn stomach and sucked into a jar with a pipe after cutting. The process is called vacuum aspiration. The power of suction (29 times that of a domestic vacuum cleaner) tears the little body. Abortion by cervical dilatation and curettage is another approach: a knife-shaped loop scrapes the uterine lining, cut the Child slices. For fetuses over 16 weeks [in countries where permitted by law], we use the abortion by injecting saline or salt poisoning. Using a long. Using a longueaiguille piercing the amniotic sac to remove some amniotic fluid and replace it with a concentrated salt solution. While he eats and breathes, filling poison his fragile lungs, the child control and convulsing. Under the effect of the caustic solution, the skin burned, leaving the flesh raw and wilted. A cerebral hemorrhage can occur. Death, pain, occurs in a few hours, although sometimes, when work begins the next day, the woman gives birth to a baby alive, but dying. If the child is too developed to be killed by these methods or others like it is the solution of the hysterotomy, a caesarean section whose purpose is not to save lives, but to interrupt. We open the abdomen of the mother, and it almost always comes out a live baby. Some even cry. But we should let him die when we're not going to suffocate, drown or kill deliberately by some other means. GOOD REFLECTION
yes only instead of thinking that the baby if you have it then
Yes, it is a murder that will also cause the karma!
@ Miss Armel: thank you for your advice, actually I do not want him to become independent, but mostly he tries to take me under his pacifier for the night I try 
but it is not obvious! As you say it is especially to be awake is often annoying.